Going non-dairy is something I am really interested in my life right now. I was inspired by the book Devil in the Milk to substitute dairy out of my diet. I have always thought of dairy causing excess gas and acne, but never made any diet changes. After reading Devil in the Milk I now associate dairy with heart attack, diabetes and obesity. So it made me way more serious about a change. I am concerned about hormones being present in dairy as well. milk is now soy milk butter is now olive oil sour cream is now soy yogurt ice cream is now soy ice cream I feel good about doing it and I usually find myself just deleting the cheese from all my recipes. I am always amazed that there is always other flavors in the dish that I taste more of now. It seems the same when I don't get cheese at a restaurant, there is always other flavor that comes through without the cheese taste. I had eaten cheese for many years and don't miss it.
I just watched the documentary "Global waste: the scandal of food waste." My impression right away from the guy hosting/narrating the film: why are you obsessed with feeding food waste to hogs?! They eventually explain later as a side note that there are many more regulations having to do with preventing mad cow disease. That you need to avoid feeding meat to vegetarian livestock. He really really wants the expired vegetables to "feed the hogs." I guess he grew up doing that with garbage from the cafeteria.
There isn't anything in the documentary having to do with the waste of meat production. They focus all their attention on fruit and vegetables being thrown away because of visual standards that you have in grocery stores. I guess you can't sell carrots that are curved. They have a scene where substandard vegetables are made into a large vat of curry to feed the homeless to express this point. Including curved carrots.
They seem to hold up japan as an example of recycling food waste. I guess in japan they sort the plant stuff on a conveyor belt and blend it up and boil it to make it into a kind of blender liquid. Of course pigs don't eat this in nature, like why is this considered food for livestock? So here we go again with feed the hogs. After doing this they claim in a grocery store in japan it makes low fat pork. And you solve food waste by feeding hogs. I get it. I guess they are like nature's garbage disposal or something. Or so they seem to suggest.
I knew right away the Japanese were flawed in their thinking to recycle milk from unsold milk. Because what are you going to do with milk produced in filthy conditions? My understanding is that a calf of a cow needs milk to grow to an adult. I guess they want to recycle the milk by combining it all, using the milk from thousands of animals by making it into feed for livestock. It wasn't described how they made animal feed from milk. They didn't say which animals would be consuming the milk based feed. I can only assume cows. But who knows.
Funny. In a ridiculous (and somehow annoying) kind of way. Humans are so messed up.
The thing with the curved carrot is but an example of discarding perfectly fine food for aesthetics reasons (whatever the hell that means). They do that with so many vegetables. Not to mention their leaves! It's so bad how they sell so many root vegetables after throwing away their stems and leaves (including tasty and very nutritional ones, like beet greens).
Yeah, world hunger, right?
By the way, for those who didn't watch it yet, check out "The East". It's an interesting movie and it touches this topic. There are a couple of things (including the ending) which I wasn't too happy about, because they didn't portray reality as they should have, but it's a good watch, overall. It actually takes examples of things that happened in real life, even though they have a disclaimer saying that it's not based on actual events (maybe to avoid trouble?) That vegan actress who was everywhere a few years back is in it (Ellen Page, just checked her name).
I recently read an article in "Eating Well Magazine" about how eating meat causes risk of diabetes and was very interesting in getting my next issue. But I feel like I have seen the magazine go strongly the other way now from reading more. They feature cheese constantly and different varieties of pigs. It is just really annoying, in the "Feeding the future" article that just came out they compare the american diet, lacto-vegetarian diet, and vegan to explain the needs of a growing american population. Like what diet you have affects the amount of the population you can feed.
Their conclusion: The vegan diet is a "waste of land" because you can't eat perennial forage which could be used to feed dairy cows and produce milk. I mean they are basically trying to say you can feed these people with dairy that the vegan diet doesn't allow. This is a direct quote "when this unused land doesn't contribute to food production, it is, essentially, wasted."
How about this: we make grass skirts with the "perennial forage" that we can't feed to the cows.
The idea that land is 'wasted' if we're not using it for farming seems so... antiquated. I'm sure the wildlife that lives there doesn't think so. And besides, those plants are still making oxygen for us, even if we're not eating them.
And anyway, there's very little land where no sort of crop will grow... if nothing else, there's always wood-growing mushrooms and such.
It seems like an exercise in futility to comment in the (stupid) things most people say, but here I go:
1) What the magazine says is based on an anthropocentric agenda, solely. 2) It doesn't even do it properly, since eating/drinking animal products causes human illness and death (directly through consumption, and due to the impact in the environment, apart from promoting world hunger). 3) Saying that we need to do that because we are a growing population is excusing an atrocity with another. 4) Alas, it is but nonsense trying to be disguised as logical and scientific rhetoric.
"There is no hope. Knowing that humans die untimely, by the millions, simply makes me feel a bit better. If more than, say, 2000 were killed in one go, I could smile. 20000? I might throw a party..."
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Lomedin: Learned by chance that Kat Von D is vegan. Didn't have a clue who she was before.
Dec 8, 2018 21:14:49 GMT
Vegan: I'm on an antinatilist group and only found out about her on that. Had no idea who she was before as never heard of her.
Dec 17, 2018 15:51:51 GMT
Lomedin: I guess they were roasting her for having a baby? Hahaha
Dec 17, 2018 16:10:29 GMT
Vegan: Yep. Apparently she used to be antinatilist.
Dec 17, 2018 17:49:49 GMT
Lomedin: Really??? Wow, talk about devolution.
Dec 24, 2018 17:07:58 GMT
discord: What happened to this forum? It used to be a lot more lively :<
Feb 8, 2019 17:47:42 GMT
Lomedin: You left.... =P
Feb 11, 2019 18:49:49 GMT
cybernaut: Well, it can be a little hard for me to come here sometimes because of how negative things can get here. I realize there's much to be negative about, but it's still hard for me all the same.
Feb 12, 2019 7:48:33 GMT
Lomedin: You can thank me with Bitcoin
Feb 15, 2019 13:00:43 GMT
Vegan: Which negative things you referring to?
Feb 17, 2019 0:00:29 GMT