It is nuts how so many people seemingly accept that there is something "special" about a king or a president, and it is business as usual. Why are humans so fucked up that they need a made-up figure of authority? And, if they do this with humans already, wtf do they have to come up with gods, also?
Seriously, it baffles me how you just have to accept that a copper simply has more authority, because someone says so... another person just like you telling you that another person just like you holds more authority... And then they talk about freedom...
And how, if a certain individual who did nothing relevant but being elevated dies, oh, it is a global tragedy to mourn for days and to commemorate for centuries to come... while millions die and are killed the same at any given time...
One wonders, sometimes, if those who see this as "normal" and talk about things like "democracy" and such like it is something real are not soulless puppets... Whatever that means... Hm, how many people, among the billions, do actually see (or try, at least) to see reality??? Are the rest all deadweight? No wonder the world is sinking...
"There is no hope. Knowing that humans die untimely, by the millions, simply makes me feel a bit better. If more than, say, 2000 were killed in one go, I could smile. 20000? I might throw a party..."
Hero worship is so unhealthy, sometimes even for the person being idolized. I was just talking about this the other day. I'm fairly involved in the fandom of a certain band; the fans can get a bit cult-y but I just sort of roll with it anyway because everyone's usually pretty laid-back. Recently though... I'm not really sure what happened, I don't really follow the celebrity gossip, but one of the members apparently did something that a lot of fans didn't approve of, and everyone basically lost their minds over it. Freaking out, selling their concert tickets, attacking en-masse via twitter... Making such a big deal over how disappointed/heartbroken/done with the band they are. It's so weird.
Like... okay. They did something bad. That's bad. (Apparently. I still have no idea what actually happened.) Do you freak out this much whenever anyone else you've never met does something you don't like?? Because they're literally just another human being, just like you, that you've never actually met in your life. They're not gods, they're not infallible, they're not perfect... Humans fuck up. A lot. We're pretty damn good at that, actually.
People build up their idols to these mythical levels, and then as soon as something shatters that illusion they just... can't deal. Is it not possible to just appreciate their work, without having to act as if they're special, or better than anyone else in the world? There's a lot less disappointment when you don't put random people up on pedestals all the time.
I hate that I see this happening even in activist circles sometimes, people enshrining certain personalities rather than appreciating the work they did. Maybe I'm just weird, but I... don't get it.
I've definitely felt the sting of disillusionment before. Such as with that one mayor who seemed like a super hero (I think his name was something like Corey), but when he was in Congress, he turned out to have been influenced by money he took from the pharmaceutical lobby. Finding out the truth about Bill Cosby was unpleasant for me because of the fond childhood memories I have a short little show he used to host called Picture Pages. I'm also bothered by the allegations leveled at Woody Allen and Johnny Depp. I was also disappointed to learn Martin Luther King, Jr. was a serial adulterer and plagiarizer. So I can definitely see how finding out the truth of someone you admire can hurt. I'm not into hero worship, but it still hurts.
As for forms of government, well, I can see the logic behind letting the government be an authority and the sole user of "legitimate" force because that prevents a lot of violence and chaos from breaking out among us, but lots of people take obedience to a dangerous extreme. As Banksy pointed out, it's not vigilantes who drop bombs on villages or send people to concentration camps.
Liberals' sense of civil disobedience often means the rich get away with just about everything, and only the "little people" get punished, often for doing good deeds. Many black people in ghettos have the right idea. They know if you riot or somehow make life hell for enough people with power, they'll eventually give in to you and give what you should have had in the first place.
Conservatives have a pathological need to have an authority figure tell them what to do and think. I don't understand how they choose who their authority figures will be, but if they don't want to think for themselves, I'd be happy to be their leader! Why not me?
Why are humans so fucked up that they need a made-up figure of authority?
I just can't stand the way wealthy people get privilege and even more free things than the workers. The justice system favors them at every turn. They seem to just plot against regular people all the time I feel
This is a fascinating youtube video, bizarrely it is made in north korea. But what is so cool is that is a kind of "outside looking in" social commentary about the united states.
"Wars should not be fought for fortune 500 companies" "The war on terror was staged like a hollywood production to take away the people's freedoms" "America's next top model, grand theft auto, WWE wrestling keep the masses from seeing important issues like homelessness" "Smoking, prescription drugs, poison food kill more americans than terrorism" "30% of americans cannot find the pacific ocean on a map"
It is just really interesting I agree with a lot of this video. Actually private message me if you see it I have been wanting to try that feature on here. I was amazed that it was from north korea, it is dubbed in english so it is understandable. I really liked it actually even though the title is bizarre.
Many black people in ghettos have the right idea. They know if you riot or somehow make life hell for enough people with power, they'll eventually give in to you and give what you should have had in the first place.
Hey, you should have said that when we were discussing the effectiveness of direct action
I'd be quite happy without a government; not because I believe that anarchism works (humans are too fucked up for that), but because of all the violence and chaos you mention... See comment on human conflict here. Although I presume very few people would be up for self-sacrifice in favor of non-humans. Any form of government is a mess in practice, anyway (thus my comments on democracy); it comes with the species.
Why not you? I'll tell you why: because you live among us. Anyone could be a Jesus, or whatever, a savior, a person with real insight and vision, but most individuals are not taken seriously unless they go on TV or get to be part of the media circus in some way. I imagine that any such individual would want very little to do with leading a species already doomed, and would rather move away from society.
Well, yeah, I think direct action is easier to pull off when you aren't trying to protect those who are almost entirely helpless and can be bred in a relatively short amount of time. I think direct action aimed at protecting forests and wildlife is probably much more effective because you don't have to worry about new victims being bred to replace the old ones.
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Lomedin: Learned by chance that Kat Von D is vegan. Didn't have a clue who she was before.
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Dec 17, 2018 15:51:51 GMT
Lomedin: I guess they were roasting her for having a baby? Hahaha
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Vegan: Yep. Apparently she used to be antinatilist.
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Lomedin: You left.... =P
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cybernaut: Well, it can be a little hard for me to come here sometimes because of how negative things can get here. I realize there's much to be negative about, but it's still hard for me all the same.
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Vegan: Which negative things you referring to?
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